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Seventh Hanyou
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What's most dangerous is parents who smoke around their children. Children's lungs should not be exposed to that trash. The harshest laws should be reserved for those places.
That brings up a problem, though. By banning smoking in public places, you're essentially forcing people to smoke within their own homes, increasing the danger of second-hand smoke for those closest to the smoker. That's no good. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be another solution at this point.
I'm all for banning smoking on the whole, though if steps to prohibition were taken, they would have to be taken carefully.
I don't believe the prohibition of smoking necessarily discriminates against "smokers," however. Smokers are not a race, and should not be treated as one. They choose to light up that cig. No offense to smokers, of course, and I realize it's difficult to shake that addiction (my father was a smoker) but I have the right to clean air myself. |
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afraidtoshooteddie
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Location: Exeter
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Look at it this way, when smoking is banned (from a UK point of view at least).
The UK government makes a fantastic amount of revenue from tobacco taxes. When bars and clubs are forced to banish smoking there will be a marked reduction in cigarrettes/tobacco being sold, and I'm damn sure Tony Blair and Co. aren't gonna put themselves out of pocket.
You think petrol is expensive at the moment... you just watch! Booze, fuel, income taxes, it'll be spread across the board until you are paying more than ever. It Sux.
You look at how much shit is kicked out when a jet airliner takes off...and you're moaning at me for smoking half a dozen cigarettes a day  give me a break.
I don't agree with forcing a ban. If a place wants to ban smoking it should be up to the owner/landlord.
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Seventh Hanyou
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afraidtoshooteddie wrote
Look at it this way, when smoking is banned (from a UK point of view at least).
The UK government makes a fantastic amount of revenue from tobacco taxes. When bars and clubs are forced to banish smoking there will be a marked reduction in cigarrettes/tobacco being sold, and I'm damn sure Tony Blair and Co. aren't gonna put themselves out of pocket.
I'm from the states, and believe you me, tobacco companies are more well-protected here than they are in the UK. States can certainly institute bans in selective areas, but there's no national law governing smoking in public places, and there never will be. I find that to be a horrible problem.
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You think petrol is expensive at the moment... you just watch! Booze, fuel, income taxes, it'll be spread across the board until you are paying more than ever. It Sux.
It does, but deal. At least the smokers won't be alone in taking a hit from such a ban.
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You look at how much shit is kicked out when a jet airliner takes off...and you're moaning at me for smoking half a dozen cigarettes a day give me a break.
Unfortunately, the health risks of second-hand smoking are sufficiently severe that such "moaning" seems more than reasonable. It may even possibly contribute to breast cancer. Is that a risk you want to take? Frankly, when I have kids, I won't want them to be anywhere near cigarettes.
The UK is way ahead of us in this venue, but at least some states are taking the initiative to restrict smoking. |
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Ben
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I agree with Fraidy, if a place wants to ban smoking, it should be upto the towns/citys council.
I'm not a smoker myself, really not into it, the smell on your clothes and in your hair is vile  |
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Rockhardchick666
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Unfotunatly petrol is super expensive for you old worlders.
For us north americans it's going up, slowly.
But I don't think it would effect petrol by cutting smoking.
I don't know how it works there, but all the money get's put into a big old canadian pot, then redistributed. If we can miss 5 million dollars, I think we're alright cutting smoking. |
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afraidtoshooteddie
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Location: Exeter
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But I don't think it would effect petrol by cutting smoking.
Of course it will. The government aren't going to see themselves 'out of pocket'.
Once they start losing revenue on smoking they are going to try and make up for it elsewhere, by increasing taxes on everything else.
Either that or they'll close a few more schools or Hospitals to compensate.
The UK is in such a mess at the moment. |
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Rockhardchick666
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afraidtoshooteddie wrote
Of course it will. The government aren't going to see themselves 'out of pocket'.
Once they start losing revenue on smoking they are going to try and make up for it elsewhere, by increasing taxes on everything else.
Either that or they'll close a few more schools or Hospitals to compensate.
The UK is in such a mess at the moment.
well, What I think is stupid on our part, is that Alberta, doesn't give us the oils, then send it to the states/europe. and we get ours from the old world.
We could save ourselves alot of money by doing it. But Alberta likes not paying taxes too much. |
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Christine
Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Location: On a hill in the sky
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Well here we are, NO SMOKING in enclosed public places!
I am so glad I gave up back in 2001, I can breathe again, smell the flowers, taste my food, it's really great.
So, personally, I think it's a good idea, though, right now, I don't expect a lot of you will be very pleased about not being able to smoke in the pub.
I know it was the worst place for me, after I gave up, everyone around me smoking. I know I used to chain smoke in the pub and go home every night smelling like an ashtray, with red eyes!
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Rockhardchick666
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it's really gonna kill me when it's completely banned here.  |
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Deadman Rockin
Joined: 23 Dec 2006
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Location: Wiltshire
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it's really gonna kill me when it's completely banned here.
It will Kill you anyway Chicky...& We don't want that....I know something will kill us all anyway but..... |
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Rockhardchick666
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| We all have our time and place to die. |
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Deadman Rockin
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We all have our time and place to die.
Well try not to let it be with a hole in your neck..that you speak out of, in a hospital bed with tubes coming out of everywhere........not nagging, everyones got the right to do what they want..just think we'd all be alot healthier if we didn't  |
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opaloka
Joined: 07 Jan 2008
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| beeing always a non somker i always wondered why should i bear inhaling somebody elses smoke. He decides to smoke, ok but why should i bear it? I don't go around sitting and taking my shoes off in front of anybody as there would be smell and i respect the others, so why smokers don't care about non smokers (and smoke is more deadly that the worst feet stench)? Why would be like everyone to change so they could proceed with their addiction? I agree that smoking should be banned, but i really doubt it as i live in Greece where everybody doesn't care about rules (they ban it in banks but the tellers and cashiers smoke), and if somebody complaints he is mocked. At least here in Greece (remember it is the Balcans and not Europe to my opinion) i don't see it really happening within the next 10-15 years. |
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Frenchy
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it's totally forbidden to smoke in the bars, pubs, restaurants and dancing areas since the 1st january in France
can't imagine to pass a long moment in a pub without a cig with a lovely beer |
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wicky
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it's totally forbidden to smoke in the bars, pubs, restaurants and dancing areas since the 1st january in France
can't imagine to pass a long moment in a pub without a cig with a lovely beer
I've still not got used to it |
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